Fred Rascoe has contributed to librarianship through his work at Georgia Tech for decades, working with a collection that includes everything from large original data sets to the basics of undergrad reference. In this discussion, Elizabeth, Lisa, and Fred talk about using metrics to audit licensed content for use, setting up metrics in new systems, and trade war stories going back to the days of DIALOG.

You can find Fred every week on the Library Rock and Roll show, Lost in the Stacks.

You can read the article we mention about eBook and eAudiobook metrics - and how the ways these things are counted affect federal funding for libraries - on academia.edu. “Modeling Metrics of Digital Media Use in Public Libraries: Holdings and Circulation Vs. Access and Licensing in Post-Custodial Collections” first appeared in Technical Services Quarterly in volume 40, number 3, in 2023. Fred and I wrote this with Matthew Frizzell. After you read it, you’ll be tempted to ask if IMLS has changed the way they count digital assets. As of 2026, they have not.

Original music for podcast by Steve Serra.